Saturday, August 15, 2009

[TheOptionClub.com] Re: RUT trade question

 

Are you sure that this trade was executed--or it meeky was listed in the speardbook of the TOS (as someone is offering it for a sale)?

--- In OptionClub@yahoogroups.com, "foo.bar28" <Carllr@...> wrote:
>
> TOS allows you to look at other trades that are working and I saw an interesting trade. Actually there were several similar ones so it probably a strat that someone has taught. Here's the trade: This was Tuesday and the RUT was at 562. The trade was an Aug condor +530/-560/-560/+590 for a credit of $17.02! With only 7 days left this has to be a pure Theta play. It was also placed before a fed meeting so volitility would normally be up too. So here's the question, i would have to think this trade is meant to be adjusted a few times before expiration, and, it would probably be taken off a day or so before as well. What would the adjustments be? A $3k investment for a $1.7K return is impressive but I just cant think this is a put it on and hope trade. Thanks gang! Rich
>

__._,_.___
The goal of TheOptionClub is to provide a forum for members to work together for the purpose of furthering our individual understanding option trading.  All messages and postings, and any materials circulated are provided for discussion and educational purposes only.  No statement contained in any materials from TheOptionClub should be considered a recommendation to buy or sell a security or to provide investment, legal or tax advice.  All investors are encouraged to consult a qualified professional before trading in any security.  Stock and option trading involves risk and is not suitable for most people.  There is no guarantee that any information provided is accurate and, may in fact, be wrong.  It is understood that the participants in TheOptionClub have varying backgrounds and degrees of experience in option trading, and that regardless of experience each member is considered a student.  As such, any information distributed through TheOptionClub should be considered with a critical mind and not relied upon as an authoritative source.

To unsubscribe from TheOptionClub, send an email to:
OptionClub-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
Recent Activity
Visit Your Group
Yahoo! Finance

It's Now Personal

Guides, news,

advice & more.

Ads on Yahoo!

Learn more now.

Reach customers

searching for you.

Group Charity

Citizen Schools

Best after school

program in the US

.

__,_._,___

Re: [TheOptionClub.com] RUT trade question

 

Hi Rich, the position (+530 P/-560 P/-560 C/+590 C) with $17 credit has its break-even points at 573 and 543.

As long as RUT stays around the short strike (560), this position is likely to make money due to time decay and reduction in volatility during the next/expiration week. In this scenario, the position can possibly be left alone without any adjustments.

With RUT around 564 and ATM Imp Vol at around 31%, 1 Standard Deviation Move for a day is around 11 points and for a week is around 23 points.

If RUT moves up by 10-15 points in the 575-580 range, you can possibly add (+560/-2 580/+610) BWB
to net into (-2 580/+590/+610) on the call side. This will allow you to benefit from capturing ATM premium and the new position will be close to the current market price with a better chance of survival (and risk/reward ratio) should RUT retrace back from that point.

If RUT moves down by 10-15 points towards 550, the opposite thinking and adjustment may be considered on the put side.

As you can possibly tell, I am heavily inspired by Michael C's way of making adjustments:-)

Hope this helps.

Good trading!!!  
 

On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 12:19 AM, foo.bar28 <Carllr@sdsc.edu> wrote:
 

TOS allows you to look at other trades that are working and I saw an interesting trade. Actually there were several similar ones so it probably a strat that someone has taught. Here's the trade: This was Tuesday and the RUT was at 562. The trade was an Aug condor +530/-560/-560/+590 for a credit of $17.02! With only 7 days left this has to be a pure Theta play. It was also placed before a fed meeting so volitility would normally be up too. So here's the question, i would have to think this trade is meant to be adjusted a few times before expiration, and, it would probably be taken off a day or so before as well. What would the adjustments be? A $3k investment for a $1.7K return is impressive but I just cant think this is a put it on and hope trade. Thanks gang! Rich


__._,_.___
The goal of TheOptionClub is to provide a forum for members to work together for the purpose of furthering our individual understanding option trading.  All messages and postings, and any materials circulated are provided for discussion and educational purposes only.  No statement contained in any materials from TheOptionClub should be considered a recommendation to buy or sell a security or to provide investment, legal or tax advice.  All investors are encouraged to consult a qualified professional before trading in any security.  Stock and option trading involves risk and is not suitable for most people.  There is no guarantee that any information provided is accurate and, may in fact, be wrong.  It is understood that the participants in TheOptionClub have varying backgrounds and degrees of experience in option trading, and that regardless of experience each member is considered a student.  As such, any information distributed through TheOptionClub should be considered with a critical mind and not relied upon as an authoritative source.

To unsubscribe from TheOptionClub, send an email to:
OptionClub-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
Recent Activity
Visit Your Group
Yahoo! Finance

It's Now Personal

Guides, news,

advice & more.

New business?

Get new customers.

List your web site

in Yahoo! Search.

Find helpful tips

for Moderators

on the Yahoo!

Groups team blog.

.

__,_._,___

Friday, August 14, 2009

[TheOptionClub.com] Re: RUT trade question

 

This is an Iron Butterfly. It is already in the black,

If they got $17.02 for that trade, they have already made $200 per contract, since at the midpoints this trade is costs $15.20 today as of mid morning today.

--- In OptionClub@yahoogroups.com, "foo.bar28" <Carllr@...> wrote:
>
> TOS allows you to look at other trades that are working and I saw an interesting trade. Actually there were several similar ones so it probably a strat that someone has taught. Here's the trade: This was Tuesday and the RUT was at 562. The trade was an Aug condor +530/-560/-560/+590 for a credit of $17.02! With only 7 days left this has to be a pure Theta play. It was also placed before a fed meeting so volitility would normally be up too. So here's the question, i would have to think this trade is meant to be adjusted a few times before expiration, and, it would probably be taken off a day or so before as well. What would the adjustments be? A $3k investment for a $1.7K return is impressive but I just cant think this is a put it on and hope trade. Thanks gang! Rich
>

__._,_.___
The goal of TheOptionClub is to provide a forum for members to work together for the purpose of furthering our individual understanding option trading.  All messages and postings, and any materials circulated are provided for discussion and educational purposes only.  No statement contained in any materials from TheOptionClub should be considered a recommendation to buy or sell a security or to provide investment, legal or tax advice.  All investors are encouraged to consult a qualified professional before trading in any security.  Stock and option trading involves risk and is not suitable for most people.  There is no guarantee that any information provided is accurate and, may in fact, be wrong.  It is understood that the participants in TheOptionClub have varying backgrounds and degrees of experience in option trading, and that regardless of experience each member is considered a student.  As such, any information distributed through TheOptionClub should be considered with a critical mind and not relied upon as an authoritative source.

To unsubscribe from TheOptionClub, send an email to:
OptionClub-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
Recent Activity
Visit Your Group
Yahoo! Finance

It's Now Personal

Guides, news,

advice & more.

Search Ads

Get new customers.

List your web site

in Yahoo! Search.

Celebrity kids

and families

Surviving in

the spotlight

.

__,_._,___

[TheOptionClub.com] RUT trade question

 

TOS allows you to look at other trades that are working and I saw an interesting trade. Actually there were several similar ones so it probably a strat that someone has taught. Here's the trade: This was Tuesday and the RUT was at 562. The trade was an Aug condor +530/-560/-560/+590 for a credit of $17.02! With only 7 days left this has to be a pure Theta play. It was also placed before a fed meeting so volitility would normally be up too. So here's the question, i would have to think this trade is meant to be adjusted a few times before expiration, and, it would probably be taken off a day or so before as well. What would the adjustments be? A $3k investment for a $1.7K return is impressive but I just cant think this is a put it on and hope trade. Thanks gang! Rich

__._,_.___
The goal of TheOptionClub is to provide a forum for members to work together for the purpose of furthering our individual understanding option trading.  All messages and postings, and any materials circulated are provided for discussion and educational purposes only.  No statement contained in any materials from TheOptionClub should be considered a recommendation to buy or sell a security or to provide investment, legal or tax advice.  All investors are encouraged to consult a qualified professional before trading in any security.  Stock and option trading involves risk and is not suitable for most people.  There is no guarantee that any information provided is accurate and, may in fact, be wrong.  It is understood that the participants in TheOptionClub have varying backgrounds and degrees of experience in option trading, and that regardless of experience each member is considered a student.  As such, any information distributed through TheOptionClub should be considered with a critical mind and not relied upon as an authoritative source.

To unsubscribe from TheOptionClub, send an email to:
OptionClub-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
Recent Activity
Visit Your Group
Yahoo! Finance

It's Now Personal

Guides, news,

advice & more.

New web site?

Drive traffic now.

Get your business

on Yahoo! search.

Y! Groups blog

the best source

for the latest

scoop on Groups.

.

__,_._,___

Wednesday, August 12, 2009

Re: [TheOptionClub.com] Re: IBM Bear Call Credit Spread

 

Did you look at the combined open interest of IBM options?

gis



On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:21 AM, jeff_williamsen <jeff@williamsen.net> wrote:
Sorry - it took so long for this to get posted that it is now history.

--- In OptionClub@yahoogroups.com, "jeff_williamsen" <jeff@...> wrote:
>
> Hey gang, what do you think of this play (prices as of close 8/10):
> IBM - 118.70
> STO AUG 120 for 1.23
> BTO AUG 125 for 0.15
> Credit 116
> Risk 384
> Probability (from OX) 72%
>
> I will be watching this morning and making my decision if these numbers hold up. Looks like IBM is ready for consolidation or a pullback.
>
> - Jeff W
>

__._,_.___
The goal of TheOptionClub is to provide a forum for members to work together for the purpose of furthering our individual understanding option trading.  All messages and postings, and any materials circulated are provided for discussion and educational purposes only.  No statement contained in any materials from TheOptionClub should be considered a recommendation to buy or sell a security or to provide investment, legal or tax advice.  All investors are encouraged to consult a qualified professional before trading in any security.  Stock and option trading involves risk and is not suitable for most people.  There is no guarantee that any information provided is accurate and, may in fact, be wrong.  It is understood that the participants in TheOptionClub have varying backgrounds and degrees of experience in option trading, and that regardless of experience each member is considered a student.  As such, any information distributed through TheOptionClub should be considered with a critical mind and not relied upon as an authoritative source.

To unsubscribe from TheOptionClub, send an email to:
OptionClub-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
Recent Activity
Visit Your Group
Yahoo! Finance

It's Now Personal

Guides, news,

advice & more.

Search Ads

Get new customers.

List your web site

in Yahoo! Search.

Yahoo! Groups

Mental Health Zone

Mental Health

Learn More

.

__,_._,___

[TheOptionClub.com] Re: IBM Bear Call Credit Spread

 

Sorry - it took so long for this to get posted that it is now history.

--- In OptionClub@yahoogroups.com, "jeff_williamsen" <jeff@...> wrote:
>
> Hey gang, what do you think of this play (prices as of close 8/10):
> IBM - 118.70
> STO AUG 120 for 1.23
> BTO AUG 125 for 0.15
> Credit 116
> Risk 384
> Probability (from OX) 72%
>
> I will be watching this morning and making my decision if these numbers hold up. Looks like IBM is ready for consolidation or a pullback.
>
> - Jeff W
>

__._,_.___
The goal of TheOptionClub is to provide a forum for members to work together for the purpose of furthering our individual understanding option trading.  All messages and postings, and any materials circulated are provided for discussion and educational purposes only.  No statement contained in any materials from TheOptionClub should be considered a recommendation to buy or sell a security or to provide investment, legal or tax advice.  All investors are encouraged to consult a qualified professional before trading in any security.  Stock and option trading involves risk and is not suitable for most people.  There is no guarantee that any information provided is accurate and, may in fact, be wrong.  It is understood that the participants in TheOptionClub have varying backgrounds and degrees of experience in option trading, and that regardless of experience each member is considered a student.  As such, any information distributed through TheOptionClub should be considered with a critical mind and not relied upon as an authoritative source.

To unsubscribe from TheOptionClub, send an email to:
OptionClub-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
Recent Activity
Visit Your Group
Give Back

Yahoo! for Good

Get inspired

by a good cause.

Y! Toolbar

Get it Free!

easy 1-click access

to your groups.

Yahoo! Groups

Start a group

in 3 easy steps.

Connect with others.

.

__,_._,___

Tuesday, August 11, 2009

Re: [TheOptionClub.com] IBM Bear Call Credit Spread

 

I think your timing was good on this one, Jeff.  IBM really hasn't fallen much since you
put the trade on, but already you have a nice profit.  I share your view on IBM stock, and
like your pick of the 120 strike.

Looks like there is decent support down at the 110 level.  You may want to consider
selling a put spread there if the stock falls a bit more.  Good luck.


On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:16 AM, jeff_williamsen <jeff@williamsen.net> wrote:
Hey gang, what do you think of this play (prices as of close 8/10):
IBM - 118.70
STO AUG 120 for 1.23
BTO AUG 125 for 0.15
Credit 116
Risk 384
Probability (from OX) 72%

I will be watching this morning and making my decision if these numbers hold up. Looks like IBM is ready for consolidation or a pullback.

- Jeff W

__._,_.___
The goal of TheOptionClub is to provide a forum for members to work together for the purpose of furthering our individual understanding option trading.  All messages and postings, and any materials circulated are provided for discussion and educational purposes only.  No statement contained in any materials from TheOptionClub should be considered a recommendation to buy or sell a security or to provide investment, legal or tax advice.  All investors are encouraged to consult a qualified professional before trading in any security.  Stock and option trading involves risk and is not suitable for most people.  There is no guarantee that any information provided is accurate and, may in fact, be wrong.  It is understood that the participants in TheOptionClub have varying backgrounds and degrees of experience in option trading, and that regardless of experience each member is considered a student.  As such, any information distributed through TheOptionClub should be considered with a critical mind and not relied upon as an authoritative source.

To unsubscribe from TheOptionClub, send an email to:
OptionClub-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
Recent Activity
Visit Your Group
Give Back

Yahoo! for Good

Get inspired

by a good cause.

Y! Toolbar

Get it Free!

easy 1-click access

to your groups.

Yahoo! Groups

Start a group

in 3 easy steps.

Connect with others.

.

__,_._,___