| I sold the sep 70 so that I would have very little investment (49c) in the trade. I would have preferred a fatter premium AUG sold call but TM is not a very volatile stock so it does not command much premium. I just noticed that the OCT was cheap compared to the SEP so I thought I would give it a try. A gunslinging approach rather than heavy research. I try to learn by experimentation. ____________ Anthony Hills Hills Motors/Hills Industries 4011 Pacific Blvd San Mateo,CA 94403. 650 573 7425 Fax 650 573 8721 |
Sunday, August 1, 2010
[ConservativeOptionStrategies] TM spread/re:why Sep option?
Re: [TheOptionClub.com] My Kid's trading account
You may want to look into an outfit out of California called BrokersXpress. They are an outcropping of OptionsXpress. I have my IRA account with them, and I am able to trade condors, butterflies, calendars, naked puts, and just about everything except naked calls.
The margin requirements have all been in line with what I expect for the various strategies. Call 800-233-9605 and ask for Gregg. He is unbelievably helpful and can answer any margin requirement questions.
RFH
--- In OptionClub@yahoogroups.com, "Renee Hughes" <Reneehug@...> wrote:
>
> Joey,
>
>
>
> I'd start with TOS support - I didn't think the margin changed on debit
> spreads as long as the # of contracts matched on each side. I'm already
> organized as a business and that hasn't helped.
>
>
>
> But I am considering changing brokers because of the crazy margin
> requirements at TOS.
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Renee
>
>
>
>
>
> From: OptionClub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OptionClub@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Joey Huckabee
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 8:59 PM
> To: OptionClub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [TheOptionClub.com] My Kid's trading account
>
>
>
>
>
> I just opened up TOS and was looking at some trades that I was
> thinking of placing for my minor's account and was surprised by the
> "new regulations" that TOS has rolled out.
> Remember Children can not have margin accounts so this is treated like
> an IRA.... and BTW I have been reading the POSTs about this I was just
> surprised that I was affected by it as well.
>
> Here is an Example:
>
> Vertical BUY +10 IBM AUG 10 115 PUT
> SELL -10 IBM AUG 10 110 PUT
> OLD BP EFFECT $80.00
> NEW BP EFFECT $110,050.00
>
> THIS IS A DEBT SPREAD!!!!!! and forget about a spread using calls...
> it is not allowed.
>
> I am not sure what I am going to do... move brokers, organize as a
> business... any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joey
>
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[TheOptionClub.com] Re: Mark Sebastion on Trade Selection (Live Presentation)
Hello,
When will the Part 2 video be placed on the archive or does it have a different name?
Thanks,
Jim
--- In OptionClub@yahoogroups.com, "TheOptionClub" <chris@...> wrote:
>
> Tomorrow morning, Saturday, June 17, 2010, at 7:00 a.m. PDT / 10:00 a.m.
> EDT, Mark Sebastian will be doing a live presentation on trade selection
> for us. This is the first part of a two-part presentation. The
> follow-up session will be two week later.
>
> In this first session Mark is going to address some of the more popular
> myths concerning trade management and then talk about some of the things
> to consider when selecting a single-term trade. In other words, should
> I trade a butterfly or would a condor be better? The second session
> will get into multi-term trades, a.k.a., time spreads.
>
> Both presentations are complimentary. You just need to register if you
> would like to attend. Please note that separate registrations are
> required for each of the two session.
>
> Register For Session One
> <https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/631291299>
>
> Register For Session Two
> <https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/281042210>
>
> The plan is to record both sessions and barring a technical snafu the
> video re-play of each session will be posted in TheOptionClub.com Video
> Archive <http://video.theoptionclub.com/> for later viewing.
>
> Have a good weekend!
>
> Christopher Smith
> TheOptionClub.com
>
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[TheOptionClub.com] What Is Available For Tracking Options Trades?
Suppose you are entering a trade which you plan to modify on a daily
basis. It could be a backtest, paper or real money trade. What is
the best way to keep track of the history of the daily positions? Of
course you would want the cummulative position, total credit or debit
and P/L including closed positions, at each day in the trade and maybe
a way to automatically generate the expiration graph for any date. Has
anybody cobbled together something using the TOS platform and Excel?
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RE: [TheOptionClub.com] My Kid's trading account
Joey,
I’d start with TOS support – I didn’t think the margin changed on debit spreads as long as the # of contracts matched on each side. I’m already organized as a business and that hasn’t helped.
But I am considering changing brokers because of the crazy margin requirements at TOS.
Best wishes,
Renee
From: OptionClub@yahoogro
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 8:59 PM
To: OptionClub@yahoogro
Subject: [TheOptionClub.
I just opened up TOS and was looking at some trades that I was
thinking of placing for my minor's account and was surprised by the
"new regulations" that TOS has rolled out.
Remember Children can not have margin accounts so this is treated like
an IRA.... and BTW I have been reading the POSTs about this I was just
surprised that I was affected by it as well.
Here is an Example:
Vertical BUY +10 IBM AUG 10 115 PUT
SELL -10 IBM AUG 10 110 PUT
OLD BP EFFECT $80.00
NEW BP EFFECT $110,050.00
THIS IS A DEBT SPREAD!!!!!! and forget about a spread using calls...
it is not allowed.
I am not sure what I am going to do... move brokers, organize as a
business... any thoughts?
Thanks,
Joey
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Re: [TheOptionClub.com] XLE Aug-Sep Gorilla Calendar
Nice example - and it's a likely case where that is true, but it's not always the case where dropping vols == losing money on calendars. I agree it's the long back month positions that are typically most sensitive to the P/L from the increased vega relative to the front month shorts, but imagine a case where the front month vol spikes such that the skew was a positive 2% , and at that skew you bought the 130 IBM calendar for $0.55 (the price if the skew was +2%). Then in the next few days the skew returns to it's normal -1.2ish%. Now the price of the calendar , with a -1.2% skew is $1.20. So in this case, the vols popped, you spent $0.55 to buy an ATM calendar, then 4 days later vol skew dropped to -1.2%, and you sold the calendar for $1.20, a near doubling of you initial spend.
Why does a calendar spread lose money if the option volatility goes down? Here is a direct transcript from a webinars hosted by Dan Sheridan and Jim Bittman. The example on the screen is the Aug-Sep calendar spread in RTH, current price 80.28. August has 32 days left to expiration, and September has 60 days left to expiration. The August 80 calls are priced at $2.20 and the September 80 calls are priced at $3.20. Their example buys 10 spreads making the total investment $1,000.
Jim Bittman: "As expiration approaches, vegas (which is the sensitivity of the option to volatility) go down. So, the 60 day option (September in this example) has a larger sensitivity to volatility than the August option. So if volatility were to drop 5%, then the September option might go down 10 cents for each volatility point (which would be 50 cents) but the August option might only go down 3 cents for each vol point. So there would be a 2 cent difference for each vol point you are losing." Jim kinda got the math wrong here, but I'm sure you get the idea.
In the example on the screen, the vega for the September option is 12.9, and the vega for August is 9.44. So they go on to describe what would happen with each one point drop in vega. September would go from 3.20 to 3.08, and August would go from 2.20 to 2.10. So you lose more in your long position than you gain in the short position.
Thought this might help some volatility deprived readers.> I know I have said this before but, one of the most common misconceptions> From: robhansen5252@
> about calendars is how they react to changes in IV, and when the best time
> to enter them is. I will be interested to see how the XLE calendar goes as
> well, my hope, it's a home run. That said, with Aug vol trading at almost
> 2% below Sep, I am not in love with the conditions in which you placed this
> time spread.
>
>
>
> -Mark
>
>
>
> From: OptionClub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OptionClub@yahoogroups.com ] On
> Behalf Of William Fletcher
> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:09 AM
> To: optionclub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [TheOptionClub.com] XLE Aug-Sep Gorilla Calendar
>
>
>
>
>
> It is of interest to me. I put an XLE calendar on on 7/13. My high
> breakeven is $55 and it is at $54.31. I have a couple of others like that -
> DIA and OEX - close to or at resistance and waiting for a pullback. My
> guess is you entered at a better iV, but you are entering about at the end
> of what I consider my entry window. It will be interesting to see.
>
>
>
> The beige book is due out today, which may back off the price a bit and
> raise the iV on my positions to help me out a bit.
>
>
>
> Keep me posted.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
> _____
>
> To: OptionClub@yahoogroups.com ...
> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 04:57:22 +0000
> Subject: [TheOptionClub.com] XLE Aug-Sep Gorilla Calendar
>
>
>
> Hi. I opened up a "gorrilla calendar" time spread in XLE on Tuesday. I know
> that on occasion, this forum has tracked various options strategies, trades
> and adjustments both theoretically as paper trades and in real time. If
> there is any interest, I'd be happy to report the particulars of the trade,
> profit goals, adjustments, etc. as they occur. Of course if there are any
> differing opinions as to how to handle the inevitable scenarios between now
> and August expiration, they can be debated. Could this possibly be a
> learning experience?
>
> RFH
>
>
>
>
>
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Saturday, July 31, 2010
Re: [TheOptionClub.com] XLE Aug-Sep Gorilla Calendar
Why does a calendar spread lose money if the option volatility goes down? Here is a direct transcript from a webinars hosted by Dan Sheridan and Jim Bittman. The example on the screen is the Aug-Sep calendar spread in RTH, current price 80.28. August has 32 days left to expiration, and September has 60 days left to expiration. The August 80 calls are priced at $2.20 and the September 80 calls are priced at $3.20. Their example buys 10 spreads making the total investment $1,000.
Jim Bittman: "As expiration approaches, vegas (which is the sensitivity of the option to volatility) go down. So, the 60 day option (September in this example) has a larger sensitivity to volatility than the August option. So if volatility were to drop 5%, then the September option might go down 10 cents for each volatility point (which would be 50 cents) but the August option might only go down 3 cents for each vol point. So there would be a 2 cent difference for each vol point you are losing." Jim kinda got the math wrong here, but I'm sure you get the idea.
In the example on the screen, the vega for the September option is 12.9, and the vega for August is 9.44. So they go on to describe what would happen with each one point drop in vega. September would go from 3.20 to 3.08, and August would go from 2.20 to 2.10. So you lose more in your long position than you gain in the short position.
Thought this might help some volatility deprived readers.
RFH
--- In OptionClub@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Sebastian" <mark@...> wrote:
>
> I know I have said this before but, one of the most common misconceptions
> about calendars is how they react to changes in IV, and when the best time
> to enter them is. I will be interested to see how the XLE calendar goes as
> well, my hope, it's a home run. That said, with Aug vol trading at almost
> 2% below Sep, I am not in love with the conditions in which you placed this
> time spread.
>
>
>
> -Mark
>
>
>
> From: OptionClub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OptionClub@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of William Fletcher
> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:09 AM
> To: optionclub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [TheOptionClub.com] XLE Aug-Sep Gorilla Calendar
>
>
>
>
>
> It is of interest to me. I put an XLE calendar on on 7/13. My high
> breakeven is $55 and it is at $54.31. I have a couple of others like that -
> DIA and OEX - close to or at resistance and waiting for a pullback. My
> guess is you entered at a better iV, but you are entering about at the end
> of what I consider my entry window. It will be interesting to see.
>
>
>
> The beige book is due out today, which may back off the price a bit and
> raise the iV on my positions to help me out a bit.
>
>
>
> Keep me posted.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
> _____
>
> To: OptionClub@yahoogroups.com
> From: robhansen5252@...
> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 04:57:22 +0000
> Subject: [TheOptionClub.com] XLE Aug-Sep Gorilla Calendar
>
>
>
> Hi. I opened up a "gorrilla calendar" time spread in XLE on Tuesday. I know
> that on occasion, this forum has tracked various options strategies, trades
> and adjustments both theoretically as paper trades and in real time. If
> there is any interest, I'd be happy to report the particulars of the trade,
> profit goals, adjustments, etc. as they occur. Of course if there are any
> differing opinions as to how to handle the inevitable scenarios between now
> and August expiration, they can be debated. Could this possibly be a
> learning experience?
>
> RFH
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
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