This is wonderful, Bob. So I understand using the 10 - 15% credit for put insurance, but how many do you end up buying? Could you kindly give a past example of one of your set-ups with your thinking behind it? For example, a 10 contract high prob IC would need maybe 2 OTM puts? Thanks.
RFH
--- In OptionClub@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Hug" <rchug@...> wrote:
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> Gis:
> This is just one person's experience but I will share mine. Over the last 33 months, I have bought only OTM Puts on every High Probability Iron Condor (Deltas of 10 and under) I have traded. I spend between 10 - 15% of the credit I receive on this insurance. Over these 33 months, my returns were more than triple what they would have been without insurance, primarily because of very large profits made in October and November of 2008. To me, it was well worth it.
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> I have never bought Calls but I can certainly see the value of doing so in a fast moving upward market. Looking back over the run-up in the market in the last 9 months of 2009, I can see where this would have been very beneficial. Hope this is of some help.
> Bob
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Meuter Gisbert
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> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:32 AM
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> Hi,
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> just wondering about this insurance thing.
> If I put on an IC (a short one) and then go long some puts and calls as insurance, is there any money left to make the whole thing profitable and worth your while?
> Even with cheap commissions I wonder if the time you spend on that will make the whole thing worth the money you receive in the end.
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> just pondering, gis
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> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Paul Seifert <paulseifert@...> wrote:
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> Go to the CBOE webcast section and watch Master of all trades or something like that done recently by Dan. He will go through adjustments. Then start with his first video and watch all of them.
> Take notes and follow his advice. Next enroll in the TOS Swim Coach daily sessions. You'll get a lot out of them
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jack
> To: OptionClub@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 12:34 PM
> Subject: RE: [TheOptionClub.com] I am hurt
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> Could you elaborate on the Sheridan video?
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> Did he mean to buy a couple extra calls/puts for insurance?
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> I can see where that would help. However, if I wait until the underlying `runs away', it is not going to do me any good. L
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> I suspect many of us have had a similar situation where a position goes against us. I know I usually get panicked/frozen and don't know what to do. Conversely, I would not know how to help you when you asked for it.
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> Paul,
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> Looking for a way to make money? I have a friend that writes credit spreads on the OEX weeklies. OTM, not good risk/reward ratio BUT only has to wait a week. L. I tried it and my first couple of trades ran against me – big time, almost max loss. L I decided I did not like those big equity swings.
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> From: OptionClub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OptionClub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ranum
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 11:06 AM
> To: OptionClub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [TheOptionClub.com] I am hurt
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> Hey Paul,
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> You might as well stay here. Going to another list will be the same thing. It's the nature of the Internet. Whatever mood someone is in, they'll fire off on you, because there's no real accountability. You can pick up good info here, over time.
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> I posted a question about an Iron Condor that ran way outside both short and long strikes awhile back, looking for ANY kind of thoughts and no one even bothered to respond. Then I'm watching a Sheridan video and he mentions throwing 1 or 2 long calls (or puts) on top and you go from losing thousands to losing hundreds. So f&^#'ing simple and yet I didn't think of it at the time. But did any of the 2 dozen+ people on here that was obvious to bother to mention it? Heck no. But, I've seen threads here where people have held someone's hand through days and days of assistance on some basic and some pretty advanced trades. It's "like a box of chocolates…"
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> Just hang in there. Go slow and be patient. Watch every free video out there and be VERY cautious before buying anyone's courses.
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> As for this or any other list like it, bottom line is, the day you post your question, you just have to hope that someone is feeling generous that day and isn't in a pissy mood thinking "Ha, no one helped me with that Iron Condor I lost thousands of dollars on, screw him."
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> From: OptionClub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OptionClub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of paul7313
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:23 AM
> To: OptionClub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [TheOptionClub.com] I am hurt
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> I know I am not very smart- that is why I ask questions about how to trade options for profit. I already know how to lose.
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> I ask and get answers, sometimes the answers work and sometimes they don't. I ask again- get new answers. etc.
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> Seems there is no one way to trade. I want one that I can do- profit consistantly and lose seldom.
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> I know it must be annoying to answer my questions by people who have option trading down but isn't that what this group for? to learn how to trade options without losing it all?
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> If my questions are too annoying, maybe I will have to seek answers elsewhere.
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