Adam,
Good questions, IC's are ideally suited to range bound equities, where adjusting is minimal allowing you to sit in front of TOS and thetabate all day. In today's market condition that just isn't reality so there a few things to keep the Theta coming;
1. STO two verticals, each set to produce profit if the other leg is adjusted or closed & be prepared to adjust the hurt leg to a debit spread to take advantage of direction.
2. Go Longer and Wider, this should provide more strike range.
3. If youre a virgin paper trade till you've produced 3 consecutive months of profitability or go blind, or just send me your money as you will probably loose it providing for at least one of us to enjoy our selves.
Trade with Confidence !
Migo1
From: Adam Green <adam.cell.phone@
To: OptionClub@yahoogro
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 2:55:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TheOptionClub.
Thanks for posting an interesting trade -- it gave me something to chew on. I don't trade ICs other than as novelties and I don't purport to be any option genius, just a humble hedger..
These sorts of trades are appealing -- makes my calendars seem pedestrian : ) -- I like having ample time to analyze the trade, seemingly good probability, minimal capital tied up, very low and slow risk (you'd have to go to sleep for a 10% move in OIH
I have some observations, which I'd like to post, to learn a little about this trade, but first, two or three questions:
1. Trade Plan. What's the trade plan for this trade? Would you buy say 10 contracts, take in $640 after commish, tie up $4,660 in capital then adjust if OIH moved above say $101 or below $78?
2. Position Management. It seems that as far as capital utilization goes, this is good trade. What would be done to protect capital, preferably to keep a break-even or nominal loss exit? What would be the exit strategy or loss limit? Would you trade OIH with additional positions before Aug expiration? I guess it's possible to set up a closing trade triggered on the underlying price?
3. Why this trade? Having looked at the trade plan and decided this is a good, smart trade, what is it about OIH or this trade per se (or the sector or industry or technical analysis) that points to this being a trade worth putting on? Just looking at the price action post-crash (Nov to date) it seems that OIH is capable of finding either side of the trade (and unlikely to just flatline inside) but what analytical or numerical method are you using to estimate price at Aug expiry?
Observations.
In my humble, this is a broker's wet dream. : ) Lots of contracts, lots of commish.
--
Adam
In my humble, this is a broker's wet dream. : ) Lots of contracts, lots of commish.
$17.70 commish on each broke 'fly for one contract (50% of the up-front gain)
$27.95 on two contract s (taking $ 68 down to $ 40.05 on the put side for example)
$99.95 on ten contracts per fly (taking $860 down to $640.10)
If you have to adjust it or get out of it, the commish eats the whole meal, you take all the risk ($466 per) to a max profit of $534 on the tips of Batman's ears. In simple terms, it seems relatively low risk -- risk a buck, to make a buck.
Much as I like to trade on tos, this seems like a trading practice that would require a better commission plan. What would other brokers' commissions be on this trade?
I've heard folks like Tom Sosnoff at thinkorswim explain how these trades can work on the right underlying, but that's a lot of work and more complex trade than I'd care to take by the wings and try to fly it. : )
It would be great to have someone point to a site that explains how it could unfold or be lifted or morphed to expire favorably.
Adam
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Rob Hansen <robhansen5252@ hotmail.com> wrote:
Joey, I can't make out what your margin is on this trade. The profit loss graph looks very good from what I can see.
Thanks,
RFH> +1 OIH Aug 09 85Â PUT
--- In OptionClub@yahoogro ups.com, Joey Huckabee <trading.ocyg@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hey gang,
>
> Just thought I would ask... I was thinking of putting on a BWB on both sides
> (Calls and Puts)
> and wanted to know what everyone thought about doing this or should I stick with
> an IC.
> Is the Lottery ticket on the wings of the IC worth it?
>
> Here is the trade and I attached the a TOS pic as well:
>
> -3 OIH Aug 09 80Â PUT
> +2 OIH Aug 09 75Â PUTÂ (0.34 Credit)
> +1 OIH Aug 09 95Â CALL
> -3 OIH Aug 09 100 CALL
> +2 OIH Aug 09 105 CALL (0.52 Credit)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joey
>
--
Adam
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