Monday, November 30, 2009

[ConservativeOptionStrategies] Re: Just Checking

 

bill that all depends...the covered call writer unlike other option traders calculate and no returns if market goes up (dynamic) or flat (static)...if that person entered the trade using the capture of the dividends (as i do in my analysis and spreadsheet) in the calculation of his returns and he suddenly did not receive those dividends ...he would not be happy with the trade....regarding tlt the dividend is a significant part of the total return unlike an equity....all in the eyes of the beholder...drjoe

--- In ConservativeOptionStrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Ulivieri" <uliv2003@...> wrote:
>
> Its still not danger. Getting assigned early is a glorious event. It means you received the full value of all the premium you sold in the covered call 2 weeks earlier than you contracted for.
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "joe & leigh" <gass20@...>
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:11:44
> To: <ConservativeOptionStrategies@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [ConservativeOptionStrategies] Re: Just Checking
>
> bill
>
> early exercise is a danger when you are exercised just before you receive your dividend.....in general that doesn't happen until the dividend is greater than the time value remaining in the call..... anyone want a more detailed analysis of exercising options go to
>
> http://www.asx.com.au/products/options/trading_information/early_exercise.htm
>
> --- In ConservativeOptionStrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Ulivieri" <uliv2003@> wrote:
> >
> > Don't forget that TLT just paid a humungous special cash dividend that was a wonderful gift for holders.
> >
> > Why is early exercise considered a danger? It should be view as a gift. You get the full value of the short call sooner, and now you get to put your money at work again.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jack Wigandt <nhhobbyfarmer@>
> > Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:34:12
> > To: <ConservativeOptionStrategies@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ConservativeOptionStrategies] Re: Just Checking
> >
> > Dr. Joe,
> > Wonderful to see you active on the group again!. There is just a small danger of early exercise, only a little of the TV (Time Value) has eroded from the short calls by the first of the month. Currently TLT pays a dividend of approximately .30/ share / month. The call writing income on this very stable ETF is where you make the most money. If I were to be exercised early I would simply re-enter the trade and be happy I captured my call writing income sooner.
> > Regards and great trading,
> > Jack
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> > From: joe & leigh <gass20@>
> > To: ConservativeOptionStrategies@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sun, November 29, 2009 5:22:30 PM
> > Subject: [ConservativeOptionStrategies] Re: Just Checking
> >
> >
> > jack...you should trade (assume you are doing cc's) after ex dividend date usually around first of the month not right after normal expiration.. ...people exercise to capture monthly dividend.... that way you capture the dividend...drjoe
> >
> > --- In ConservativeOptionStrategies@ yahoogroups. com, "Jack" <nhhobbyfarmer@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > I began to trade TLT in early May, 2009 as
> > > the fixed income portion of my IRA account. To enhance the return I sell
> > > calls against my position each month. (We sell the call with the
> > > greatest TV, Time Value) This idea was borrowed from the moderator of
> > > another yahoo group I am a member of. I liked TLT due to the volume and
> > > and liquidity of the options. The on-going trade has worked very well.
> > > So far I have never been called early for a dividend, receiving it each
> > > month. When called away I replace the position. Often late on expiration
> > > Friday, if in the last few minutes of trade it is apparent we will be
> > > called the new positions are added. I figure I will capture an extra few
> > > days of TV erosion over the weekend and a good use of cash since I
> > > would want to re-enter the position on Monday.
> > >
> > > My concern will be the FED-HEADs starting
> > > to play with interest rates. We basically have no place to go but up
> > > from where we are currently and that will of course affect TLT. I am
> > > looking at TBT as a short term trade ahead of FED meetings. TBF, a
> > > non-leveraged ETF, would be preferable to me but the volume is low and
> > > open interest in the options is almost non-existent.
> > >
> > > I have looked over the site you suggested
> > > (www.oldschooloptions.com) but they do not show any information about
> > > TLT, perhaps because it is an open trade? Without exposing information
> > > you have agreed not to share, could you write a little more about how
> > > you are using TLT and what the plan will be to cope with interest rate
> > > increases?
> > >
> > > Regards and
> > > great trading,
> > >
> > > Jack
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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