rfh...my current leaps are iwm and will roll the jan 11 to jan 12 soon next few months or so...the current jan 11 60 strike is 5.8 and the jan 12 60 strike is 8.3 ....i will add the money.....since monthly premiums are about 1 dollar and it extends my leaps for a year...it may be worth it....drjoe
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>
> Hi, Dr. Joe. Will you be rolling the leaps any time soon. If you are down 30 or 40% from their purchase price, you won't be getting that many Jan 12 leaps for your money. That will lead to a considerable loss of monthly income, won't it?
>
> Thanks,
> RFH
>
> --- In ConservativeOptionS
> >
> > bobc....there are no options longer than 2.5 years...in my posts....you misunderstood.
> >
> > --- In ConservativeOptionS
> > >
> > > Dr Joe - Would you mind sharing with the group some of the stocks you are trading with LEAPs that go out 39 months or so? I never see any LEAPs much past 2 years (Jan 2012 for example now). Thank you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________
> > > From: joe & leigh <gass20@>
> > > To: ConservativeOptionS
> > > Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 5:54:06 AM
> > > Subject: [ConservativeOption
> > >
> > > Â
> > > M. just like the rental analogy. if you own a home that you rent out how often do you get it appraised? i bought $xxx of leaps (my home to rent) and it generated for me during the 39 months of these particular leaps a maximum of 12,000 one month and during the worst of the market collapse i was able to always generate at least $1000 a month. average over the 39 months ended up as of last month $3000 a month. my leaps are down about 25% which is less than the market. drjoe
> > >
> > > --- In ConservativeOptionS trategies@ yahoogroups. com, "Research at DCM" <research@ .> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dr. Joe,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Can you share what your results have been? i.e. X% average annual return
> > > > for last Y years with the worst monthly loss being Z%?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'd just like to understand what is possible and what expectations are
> > > > reasonable.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > M
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > > From: ConservativeOptionS trategies@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > [mailto:Conservativ
> > > > leigh
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 2:20 PM
> > > > To: ConservativeOptionS trategies@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Subject: [ConservativeOption Strategies] Re: Let's Get the Site Active Again
> > > > !!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > jd.....my strategy only uses leaps with at least 0.8 delta and even
> > > > higher....drjoe
> > > >
> > > > --- In ConservativeOptionS
> > > > <mailto:Conservativ eOptionStrategie s%40yahoogroups. com>
> > > > trategies@yahoogrou ps.com, John Hudgens <jdhudgens2000@ > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > personally, I have completely revised my leaps straegy. I now use a
> > > > stock replacement leap. To wit: I only buy leaps which have a delta
> > > > greater than .75. If the stock goes up, my leap grows faster than the
> > > > short term option and I can afford to buy it back if I have to by either
> > > > using cash or rolling the leap up to get cash. If I don't sell a short
> > > > term option and the stock goes up, I can harvest cash by rolling the
> > > > option. Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > You can buy a $40 stock's stock replacement for less than a third and then
> > > > make your rent on that. 50 cent on $10 is acceptable while 50 cent on $40
> > > > isn't.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Also, a stock replacement leap tends to be rollable out and up much
> > > > easier than the less expensive ones.Â
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Sun, 11/29/09, bgupta92@ <bgupta92@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: bgupta92@ <bgupta92@>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ConservativeOption Strategies] Let's Get the Site Active
> > > > Again !!
> > > > > To: ConservativeOptionS
> > > > <mailto:Conservativ eOptionStrategie s%40yahoogroups. com>
> > > > trategies@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > > > Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 10:09 AM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark,
> > > > > Â
> > > > > I'm sure Dr. Joe will give you the same advice (at least I hope so). You
> > > > want to sell calls at the strike that has the maximum extrinsic value.
> > > > Usually that is the first strike ITM or OTM. Also you want to sell fewer
> > > > calls than you have long calls. His thumb rule is about 8:10 - so about 8
> > > > short calls for 10 long calls. Look at that on a P/L graph and you will see
> > > > what he means by uncovered longs. The graph will typically increase at a
> > > > steep (relative) rate up to the short strike and then flatter but still
> > > > increase at a shallower rate above the short strike.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Once both the short and the long are ITM your profit comes from 2 areas.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > First it comes from the decay in the extrinsic value of the short being
> > > > greater than the decay in the extrinsic value of the long - which is why you
> > > > want to sell the short that has the maximum extrinsic value.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Second it comes from having more intrinsic value in the longs but only
> > > > because you have more longs than shorts. If for example you had the same
> > > > number of shorts as you have longs, the gain on the intrinsic of the long
> > > > will be exactly offset by the loss on the intrinsic of the short. If instead
> > > > you have 10 longs and 8 shorts and the underlying moved by $1, the longs
> > > > would gain $10 on the intrisic portion but the short position would lose $8
> > > > for a net gain of $2 on the intrinsic.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > If the underlying was below the short strike (i.e. the short strike was
> > > > OTM), for every $1 movement of the underlying, the longs would gain $10 on
> > > > the intrinsic (same example as above) and a little bit on the extrinsic.
> > > > since the short strike is OTM there is no gain/loss on the intrinsic but of
> > > > course there is a gain on the extrinsic. Overall, it is the gain on the
> > > > intrinsic of the long that is the significant contribution to your overall
> > > > P/L which is why the P/L is steeper below the short strike and shallower
> > > > above the short strike.Â
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Hope this helps....
> > > > > Â
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "mark bluhm" <mbluhm2001@ yahoo.. com>
> > > > > To: ConservativeOptionS trategies@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 11:56:54 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ConservativeOption Strategies] Let's Get the Site Active
> > > > Again !!
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dr. Joe,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm sure we are all in the same boat with the LEAPs underwater, i know am.
> > > > Â I guess that i've messed up in that i've been too afraid to sell options
> > > > uncovered and therefore have not been getting the income you have been. Â
> > > > Would it be possible to share how you pick the strike price to sell your
> > > > options and when you decide each month to do so? That would be very helpful.
> > > > Â
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have purchased new 2011 Leaps when the market was low but still own the
> > > > OTM 2010 Leaps. I'm thinking of sell these for a big loss instead of holding
> > > > on to them to expire while the market is up. Â Any thoughts on what to do
> > > > with the 2010 OTM leaps?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Glad you are back. I'm still liking this system even though the market has
> > > > crashed. Â It still has a lot of merit.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Mark
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: joe & leigh <gass20@>
> > > > > To: ConservativeOptionS trategies@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Sun, November 29, 2009 7:27:26 AM
> > > > > Subject: [ConservativeOption Strategies] Let's Get the Site Active Again
> > > > !!
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > >
> > > > > Would love for members to post their strategies and post questions for
> > > > other members.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am still trading the DLS and am satisfied considering the worst market
> > > > correction in decades. I am trading a lot of naked puts and covered calls.
> > > > >
> > > > > Someone who bought a second home (condo) in a place like Florida at the
> > > > high of the real estate market to rent and generate income....his condo's
> > > > market value is probably 40% below his purchase price. I know, I live there.
> > > > However, he is still able to generate monthly rent comparable to when the
> > > > real estate market was high while he waits for his condo's value to return
> > > > to purchase price.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well my leaps (condo) are well below cost basis. However, my current leap
> > > > positions opened 39 months ago has generated about $3000/mo.(rent i
> > > > generated). Initially, leaps were generating 8-10k per month and during the
> > > > correction I was able to generate at least 1-1.5k per month...averaging over
> > > > the time period the $3000/mo. My leaps are about the same % below purchase
> > > > price than if I had bought a portfolio of buy and hold. The difference is I
> > > > have generated $118,000 in premiums over the 39 months. Where the buy and
> > > > hold owner generated no rent/income.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am finding that selling puts if managed well is easier and less time
> > > > consuming than the DLS strategy.
> > > > >
> > > > > dr joe
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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