bobc.....there are no options at that length...only 2.5 years......when i referenced 39 month,,,,it was not referring to the length of the leap....i was the length i initiated the position from the original leap.....i rolled that leap several times....hope that explains...drjoe
--- In ConservativeOptionS
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> Dr Joe - Would you mind sharing with the group some of the stocks you are trading with LEAPs that go out 39 months or so? I never see any LEAPs much past 2 years (Jan 2012 for example now). Thank you.
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> From: joe & leigh <gass20@...>
> To: ConservativeOptionS
> Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 5:54:06 AM
> Subject: [ConservativeOption
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> M. just like the rental analogy. if you own a home that you rent out how often do you get it appraised? i bought $xxx of leaps (my home to rent) and it generated for me during the 39 months of these particular leaps a maximum of 12,000 one month and during the worst of the market collapse i was able to always generate at least $1000 a month. average over the 39 months ended up as of last month $3000 a month. my leaps are down about 25% which is less than the market. drjoe
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> --- In ConservativeOptionS trategies@ yahoogroups. com, "Research at DCM" <research@ .> wrote:
> >
> > Dr. Joe,
> >
> >
> >
> > Can you share what your results have been? i.e. X% average annual return
> > for last Y years with the worst monthly loss being Z%?
> >
> >
> >
> > I'd just like to understand what is possible and what expectations are
> > reasonable.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> > M
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: ConservativeOptionS trategies@ yahoogroups. com
> > [mailto:Conservativ
> > leigh
> > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 2:20 PM
> > To: ConservativeOptionS trategies@ yahoogroups. com
> > Subject: [ConservativeOption Strategies] Re: Let's Get the Site Active Again
> > !!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > jd.....my strategy only uses leaps with at least 0.8 delta and even
> > higher....drjoe
> >
> > --- In ConservativeOptionS
> > <mailto:Conservativ eOptionStrategie s%40yahoogroups. com>
> > trategies@yahoogrou ps.com, John Hudgens <jdhudgens2000@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > personally, I have completely revised my leaps straegy. I now use a
> > stock replacement leap. To wit: I only buy leaps which have a delta
> > greater than .75. If the stock goes up, my leap grows faster than the
> > short term option and I can afford to buy it back if I have to by either
> > using cash or rolling the leap up to get cash. If I don't sell a short
> > term option and the stock goes up, I can harvest cash by rolling the
> > option. Â
> > > Â
> > > You can buy a $40 stock's stock replacement for less than a third and then
> > make your rent on that. 50 cent on $10 is acceptable while 50 cent on $40
> > isn't.
> > > Â
> > > Also, a stock replacement leap tends to be rollable out and up much
> > easier than the less expensive ones.Â
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 11/29/09, bgupta92@ <bgupta92@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: bgupta92@ <bgupta92@>
> > > Subject: Re: [ConservativeOption Strategies] Let's Get the Site Active
> > Again !!
> > > To: ConservativeOptionS
> > <mailto:Conservativ eOptionStrategie s%40yahoogroups. com>
> > trategies@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 10:09 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mark,
> > > Â
> > > I'm sure Dr. Joe will give you the same advice (at least I hope so). You
> > want to sell calls at the strike that has the maximum extrinsic value.
> > Usually that is the first strike ITM or OTM. Also you want to sell fewer
> > calls than you have long calls. His thumb rule is about 8:10 - so about 8
> > short calls for 10 long calls. Look at that on a P/L graph and you will see
> > what he means by uncovered longs. The graph will typically increase at a
> > steep (relative) rate up to the short strike and then flatter but still
> > increase at a shallower rate above the short strike.
> > > Â
> > > Once both the short and the long are ITM your profit comes from 2 areas.
> > > Â
> > > First it comes from the decay in the extrinsic value of the short being
> > greater than the decay in the extrinsic value of the long - which is why you
> > want to sell the short that has the maximum extrinsic value.
> > > Â
> > > Second it comes from having more intrinsic value in the longs but only
> > because you have more longs than shorts. If for example you had the same
> > number of shorts as you have longs, the gain on the intrinsic of the long
> > will be exactly offset by the loss on the intrinsic of the short. If instead
> > you have 10 longs and 8 shorts and the underlying moved by $1, the longs
> > would gain $10 on the intrisic portion but the short position would lose $8
> > for a net gain of $2 on the intrinsic.
> > > Â
> > > If the underlying was below the short strike (i.e. the short strike was
> > OTM), for every $1 movement of the underlying, the longs would gain $10 on
> > the intrinsic (same example as above) and a little bit on the extrinsic.
> > since the short strike is OTM there is no gain/loss on the intrinsic but of
> > course there is a gain on the extrinsic. Overall, it is the gain on the
> > intrinsic of the long that is the significant contribution to your overall
> > P/L which is why the P/L is steeper below the short strike and shallower
> > above the short strike.Â
> > > Â
> > > Hope this helps....
> > > Â
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "mark bluhm" <mbluhm2001@ yahoo.. com>
> > > To: ConservativeOptionS trategies@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 11:56:54 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > > Subject: Re: [ConservativeOption Strategies] Let's Get the Site Active
> > Again !!
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dr. Joe,
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm sure we are all in the same boat with the LEAPs underwater, i know am.
> > Â I guess that i've messed up in that i've been too afraid to sell options
> > uncovered and therefore have not been getting the income you have been. Â
> > Would it be possible to share how you pick the strike price to sell your
> > options and when you decide each month to do so? That would be very helpful.
> > Â
> > >
> > >
> > > I have purchased new 2011 Leaps when the market was low but still own the
> > OTM 2010 Leaps. I'm thinking of sell these for a big loss instead of holding
> > on to them to expire while the market is up. Â Any thoughts on what to do
> > with the 2010 OTM leaps?
> > >
> > >
> > > Glad you are back. I'm still liking this system even though the market has
> > crashed. Â It still has a lot of merit.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: joe & leigh <gass20@>
> > > To: ConservativeOptionS trategies@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Sun, November 29, 2009 7:27:26 AM
> > > Subject: [ConservativeOption Strategies] Let's Get the Site Active Again
> > !!
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > > Would love for members to post their strategies and post questions for
> > other members.
> > >
> > > I am still trading the DLS and am satisfied considering the worst market
> > correction in decades. I am trading a lot of naked puts and covered calls.
> > >
> > > Someone who bought a second home (condo) in a place like Florida at the
> > high of the real estate market to rent and generate income....his condo's
> > market value is probably 40% below his purchase price. I know, I live there.
> > However, he is still able to generate monthly rent comparable to when the
> > real estate market was high while he waits for his condo's value to return
> > to purchase price.
> > >
> > > Well my leaps (condo) are well below cost basis. However, my current leap
> > positions opened 39 months ago has generated about $3000/mo.(rent i
> > generated). Initially, leaps were generating 8-10k per month and during the
> > correction I was able to generate at least 1-1.5k per month...averaging over
> > the time period the $3000/mo. My leaps are about the same % below purchase
> > price than if I had bought a portfolio of buy and hold. The difference is I
> > have generated $118,000 in premiums over the 39 months. Where the buy and
> > hold owner generated no rent/income.
> > >
> > > I am finding that selling puts if managed well is easier and less time
> > consuming than the DLS strategy.
> > >
> > > dr joe
> > >
> >
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