Monday, May 31, 2010

RE: [TheOptionClub.com] Questions about MCatolico's Adjustment PDF

 

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From: OptionClub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OptionClub@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of allistah
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 1:45 PM
To: OptionClub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [TheOptionClub.com] Questions about MCatolico's Adjustment PDF

Hello all --

I've been studying Michaels PDF in the files section and I came across some
text in it (I listed the text in question at the bottom of this post) and
have a question about it. The way I read it is that if any price move in
ONE DAY happens greater than the 1.5 std.dev. that would trigger an
adjustment.

My questions are:

1) What if the stock moved consistently in the same direction, moving $1.50
per day? At what point would I make the adjustment? Still at the $2.27
(1.5 std.dev) mark?

Mc - if using the 1.5sd (or any other objective metric) the measurement
should always be from the last trade and the calculation should be modified
for the time frame. However remember this is meant more as rule of thumb
than as a deterministic ("paint by number") method. It can just as easily be
applied to 1 day as to 2 days as to 1 hour or even 1 second. Remember that
this paper was intended as very much an introduction to the kind of thinking
and mechanics behind adjustments - a primer, if you will, and not the holy
grail of trading.

2) Once you make an adjustment, do you re-calculate the std.dev. from the
current position of the underlying and again wait for those points to get
hit to make another adjustment?

Mc - yes you should recalculate since you now have a new position. and to be
even more focused, the implied volatility level should be adjusted to
reflect your new net position volatility and/or the current market IV
level.

Here is the text below that I'm referring to:
"As a start, let's assume that market noise involves any kind of price move
less than 1.5 std.dev. which would include 86.6% of expected price behavior.
Following the above example, 1.5 std.dev. equals $2.27 so we are, by fiat,
deciding that any one day price move less thatn +/- $2.27 will be ignored.
But if price somehow goes beyond this level, we are determining that the
move is significant enough to justify making an adjustment to the position."

Thank you,

-Jaime

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[TheOptionClub.com] Intraday Setup Indicator

 

Hello,
Can someone share the top 3 indicators for Intraday swing trade setup with parameter values for indicators? I use E. Mov Avg (3,5), Macd (8,17,9), Slow Stoc (5,3). I understand there is no "holy grail". However some setup that offers fair & consistent degree of success would be helpful.

Best
- Irshad

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Re: [TheOptionClub.com] Re: GS TRADE [was:How do you manage your Vega?]

 

You go on a diet :).



From: JP <jamesbparker999@yahoo.co.uk>
To: OptionClub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 11:35:35 AM
Subject: [TheOptionClub.com] Re: GS TRADE [was:How do you manage your Vega?]

 

Mike .. what happens when you have eaten all the cookies on the bottom shelf :-)) .... James

--- In OptionClub@yahoogroups.com, Mike Cleveland <mikeandjody1996@...> wrote:
>
> I do too! I really hate that kind of teaching. I'm sure some people do really well with it but it is not for me at all.
>
> I used to teach flying and discovered that you must "put the cookies on the lowest shelf", so that "dummies" can even follow along. The Risk Doctor puts the cookies on the top of the roof, entirely unreachable by this dummy.
>
> Again, I'm sure it's just me, but I won't take any more classes or lessons or purchase any products from him.
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>


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[TheOptionClub.com] Re: GS TRADE [was:How do you manage your Vega?]

 

Mike .. what happens when you have eaten all the cookies on the bottom shelf :-)) .... James

--- In OptionClub@yahoogroups.com, Mike Cleveland <mikeandjody1996@...> wrote:
>
> I do too! I really hate that kind of teaching. I'm sure some people do really well with it but it is not for me at all.
>
> I used to teach flying and discovered that you must "put the cookies on the lowest shelf", so that "dummies" can even follow along. The Risk Doctor puts the cookies on the top of the roof, entirely unreachable by this dummy.
>
> Again, I'm sure it's just me, but I won't take any more classes or lessons or purchase any products from him.
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>

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Sunday, May 30, 2010

Re: [TheOptionClub.com] Re: GS TRADE [was:How do you manage your Vega?]

 

I do too! I really hate that kind of teaching. I'm sure some people do really well with it but it is not for me at all.

I used to teach flying and discovered that you must "put the cookies on the lowest shelf", so that "dummies" can even follow along. The Risk Doctor puts the cookies on the top of the roof, entirely unreachable by this dummy.

Again, I'm sure it's just me, but I won't take any more classes or lessons or purchase any products from him.



From: Sean <seangreen420@hotmail.com>
To: OptionClub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, May 29, 2010 9:55:24 AM
Subject: [TheOptionClub.com] Re: GS TRADE [was:How do you manage your Vega?]

 

I purchased Charles Cottle's book to see if I could follow his style before I joined training.
I have to say that reading this book made me feel really dumb. I just can't follow his methodology. I find it difficult. Charles is making it very awkward for students to understand his methodology.
I'd be interested in knowing if anyone else in this group find Charles' methodology somewhat complicated and difficult.

--- In OptionClub@yahoogroups.com, "JP" <jamesbparker999@...> wrote:
>
> Sam .. Charles is currently running a tag along trade on Google in his RD Coaching Clinic which illustrates many of the points discussed recently in these forums .... forecasting expiry range, position set up and trade management, position dissection and analysis of embedded flies/condors/verticals, trade liquidation .... I will ask Charles if he is ok with me sharing some of the detail in this forum .... and it may lead to some further discussion ... Cheers, James
>
> --- In OptionClub@yahoogroups.com, Ricky Jimenez <rickyjim@> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 26 May 2010 13:31:32 -0000, "JP"
> > <jamesbparker999@> wrote:
> >
> > >Sam ... I signed up for Charles Cottle's training programme quite a few years ago .... and am still a member of his RDCC [Risk Doctor Coaching Clinic] weekly webinars ... I can honestly say that it transformed my trading knowledge / ability ... it ain't cheap .. but then again, is anything that is really worthwhile .... I find it interesting that there is a great deal of similarity in much of what Michael and Charles say, they just articulate it diferently .... suggest you contact Charles directly about whether Risk Illustrator is inlcuded in the package [I have to declare an interest in that I was involved in it's development and do not want to be seen to be promoting it in this forum] ... cheers, James
> > >
> > >
> > Does Charles take you through a month long sequence of daily
> > modifications? I thought we have been getting a unique experience,
> > not available elsewhere on the web, for any price.
> >
>


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[TheOptionClub.com] Re: GS TRADE [was:How do you manage your Vega?]

 

Sam

I have uploaded a file called Goog_June10_Playbbook to the Risk Doctor Folder in the Files section.

It basically shows how a Goog Fly/BWB evolved from 29 April to date.

The current position [page 11] is equivalent to a 10 lot 470/490/510 Fly for a credit of $7,950.

You can see in the Trade Tracker [page 2] that all the trades are fairly conventional Butterflies, Condors and Verticals.

If you scroll through the Risk Graphs, you will see how the position 'dances' as the market plays it's tune.

Hope you find this useful.

Cheers
James

--- In OptionClub@yahoogroups.com, "JP" <jamesbparker999@...> wrote:
>
> Sam .. Charles is currently running a tag along trade on Google in his RD Coaching Clinic which illustrates many of the points discussed recently in these forums .... forecasting expiry range, position set up and trade management, position dissection and analysis of embedded flies/condors/verticals, trade liquidation .... I will ask Charles if he is ok with me sharing some of the detail in this forum .... and it may lead to some further discussion ... Cheers, James
>
> --- In OptionClub@yahoogroups.com, Ricky Jimenez <rickyjim@> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 26 May 2010 13:31:32 -0000, "JP"
> > <jamesbparker999@> wrote:
> >
> > >Sam ... I signed up for Charles Cottle's training programme quite a few years ago .... and am still a member of his RDCC [Risk Doctor Coaching Clinic] weekly webinars ... I can honestly say that it transformed my trading knowledge / ability ... it ain't cheap .. but then again, is anything that is really worthwhile .... I find it interesting that there is a great deal of similarity in much of what Michael and Charles say, they just articulate it diferently .... suggest you contact Charles directly about whether Risk Illustrator is inlcuded in the package [I have to declare an interest in that I was involved in it's development and do not want to be seen to be promoting it in this forum] ... cheers, James
> > >
> > >
> > Does Charles take you through a month long sequence of daily
> > modifications? I thought we have been getting a unique experience,
> > not available elsewhere on the web, for any price.
> >
>

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[TheOptionClub.com] Re: GS TRADE [was:How do you manage your Vega?]

 

I purchased Charles Cottle's book to see if I could follow his style before I joined training.
I have to say that reading this book made me feel really dumb. I just can't follow his methodology. I find it difficult. Charles is making it very awkward for students to understand his methodology.
I'd be interested in knowing if anyone else in this group find Charles' methodology somewhat complicated and difficult.

--- In OptionClub@yahoogroups.com, "JP" <jamesbparker999@...> wrote:
>
> Sam .. Charles is currently running a tag along trade on Google in his RD Coaching Clinic which illustrates many of the points discussed recently in these forums .... forecasting expiry range, position set up and trade management, position dissection and analysis of embedded flies/condors/verticals, trade liquidation .... I will ask Charles if he is ok with me sharing some of the detail in this forum .... and it may lead to some further discussion ... Cheers, James
>
> --- In OptionClub@yahoogroups.com, Ricky Jimenez <rickyjim@> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 26 May 2010 13:31:32 -0000, "JP"
> > <jamesbparker999@> wrote:
> >
> > >Sam ... I signed up for Charles Cottle's training programme quite a few years ago .... and am still a member of his RDCC [Risk Doctor Coaching Clinic] weekly webinars ... I can honestly say that it transformed my trading knowledge / ability ... it ain't cheap .. but then again, is anything that is really worthwhile .... I find it interesting that there is a great deal of similarity in much of what Michael and Charles say, they just articulate it diferently .... suggest you contact Charles directly about whether Risk Illustrator is inlcuded in the package [I have to declare an interest in that I was involved in it's development and do not want to be seen to be promoting it in this forum] ... cheers, James
> > >
> > >
> > Does Charles take you through a month long sequence of daily
> > modifications? I thought we have been getting a unique experience,
> > not available elsewhere on the web, for any price.
> >
>

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[TheOptionClub.com] Re: Questions about MCatolico's Adjustment PDF

 

I have looked under the file section for this article but could not locate it. I'd love to read this, so could you please post the link.
many thanks

--- In OptionClub@yahoogroups.com, "allistah" <jaime@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all --
>
> I've been studying Michaels PDF in the files section and I came across some text in it (I listed the text in question at the bottom of this post) and have a question about it. The way I read it is that if any price move in ONE DAY happens greater than the 1.5 std.dev. that would trigger an adjustment.
>
> My questions are:
>
> 1) What if the stock moved consistently in the same direction, moving $1.50 per day? At what point would I make the adjustment? Still at the $2.27 (1.5 std.dev) mark?
>
> 2) Once you make an adjustment, do you re-calculate the std.dev. from the current position of the underlying and again wait for those points to get hit to make another adjustment?
>
> Here is the text below that I'm referring to:
> "As a start, let's assume that market noise involves any kind of price move less than 1.5 std.dev. which would include 86.6% of expected price behavior. Following the above example, 1.5 std.dev. equals $2.27 so we are, by fiat, deciding that any one day price move less thatn +/- $2.27 will be ignored. But if price somehow goes beyond this level, we are determining that the move is significant enough to justify making an adjustment to the position."
>
> Thank you,
>
> -Jaime
>

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