TOS allows credit spreads in IRAs. You just can naked shorts.
Vikas,
The only short positions allowed in an IRA is Covered Calls, and Cash Secured Puts is effectively the same thing. No other shorting is allowed to protect the 'tax sheltered' status of the account.
Jeff W
--- In OptionClub@yahoogroups.com , Vikas Basantani <vikas.basantani@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Jeff.
>
> While I do not know a lot about IRA accounts and what they allow/do not
> allow, couldn't you just buy the long term call first and then sell a short
> term call against it (thereby effectively getting into the synthetic
> calendar)??? Please excuse me for my limited knowledge about IRA accounts (I
> don't live in the US)...
>
> Cheers Vikas
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 8:08 PM, jeff_williamsen <jeff@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Vikas,
> >
> > Great in-depth response - it helps me a lot.
> >
> > My reason for the SuperPut is that it is allowed in an IRA which I trade in
> > exclusively (right now). I could not do the trade in #2 in that account.
> >
> > If my position is ITM on 7/17, chances are good I will let it assign, but a
> > lot depends on how much ITM and where the technicals are telling me its
> > headed.
> >
> > So if this is chess, right now it the stocks move.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > --- In OptionClub@yahoogroups.com <OptionClub%40yahoogroups.com >, Vikas
> > Basantani <vikas.basantani@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Jeff for sharing the video and Bob for sharing your initial
> > > experience with superputs...
> > >
> > > After listening to the video and reading Chris comments (some of them are
> > > really good points), I just thought of providing some numbers/risk graphs
> > to
> > > illustrate some important points for everyone's benefit:
> > >
> > > Let me start with the prices I picked up from the video:
> > >
> > > Long Stock SID @ 22.29 (100 shares)
> > > Long Dec 09 22.5 Put @ 3.91 (1 contract)
> > > Short Jul 09 22.5 Call @ 1.44 (1 contract)
> > >
> > > This superput position is plotted in Diagram 1 and shows a buying power
> > > reduction of $1358.5.
> > >
> > > Now look at Diagram 2 which is nothing but a combination of Long Dec 09
> > 22.5
> > > Call (synthetic equivalent of Long 100 Shares + Long 22.5 Put) and Short
> > Jul
> > > 09 22.5 Call - this is the synthetic call calendar as mentioned in Chris'
> > > post.
> > >
> > > Watch how close Diagrams 1 and 2 are to each other - similar risk,
> > similar
> > > reward, similar greek values etc - pretty close profit/loss if SID moves
> > 10%
> > > up or down etc... There is no surprise here as the two positions are
> > > synthetically equivalent to each other...
> > >
> > > One difference, though, is that the second position requires a buying
> > power
> > > reduction of only $216 which is a much smaller number as compared to the
> > > first position (due to the long stock).
> > >
> > > Another point to note is that maximum profit on the above two positions
> > > occurs when SID is exactly at 22.5 at expiration. Both positions lose
> > money
> > > if SID goes significantly away from 22.5 in either direction, thus
> > providing
> > > evidence of the range-bound nature of these positions.
> > >
> > > Now compare these with Diagram 3 which is a simple covered call (Long 100
> > > Shares + Short 22.5 Jul 09 Call) - as anyone can notice, the maximum
> > profit
> > > still occurs at 22.5 but remains at that level if SID continues higher
> > after
> > > 22.5, thus providing evidence of the bullish (actually neutral to
> > bullish)
> > > nature of covered call positions.
> > >
> > > And Bob, the superput position is not equivalent to a collar (but to a
> > > calendar) simply because of the fact that the long put and short call are
> > > expiring in different months (Dec 09 and Jul 09 respectively).
> > >
> > > Just like superputs, other terms which are used for similar stuff are
> > > Married Puts (long stock + long put) and Radioactive Profit Machine (used
> > by
> > > Kurt Frankenberg at Radioactive Trading).
> > >
> > > *Bottom line*
> > >
> > > We, as traders, must understand options synthetics as they can help us in
> > > clearly identifying "hidden" relationships between long/short stock,
> > calls
> > > and puts and that can help us in taking our trading to the next level.
> > >
> > > Hope it helps some on this group.
> > >
> > > Cheers Vikas
> > >
> > > http://options101.wordpress. com
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Christopher Smith <chris@
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bob,
> > > >
> > > > Happy to help. Trading options is one area where a little knowledge can
> > > > get you in a lot of trouble. On the other hand, if you take the time to
> > > > really learn this stuff it can translate into a tremendous benefit.
> > > >
> > > > One thing that I will suggest is that you take advantage of this
> > Options
> > > > Mastery home study course give-away. It really is an excellent course
> > and
> > > > with Options University giving it away it is difficult to think of a
> > reason
> > > > not to register for a free copy of it.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.optionsmasterycourse. com/giveaway
> > > >
> > > > Christopher Smith
> > > > TheOptionClub.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In OptionClub@yahoogroups.com <OptionClub%40yahoogroups.com >, Bob
> > C <bobc0923@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Chris - Thank you very much for replying to my message and
> > correcting
> > > > me in what I was attempting to do. Luckily the naked puts I had expired
> > > > yesterday. But before I do any more I had better do some more homework
> > and
> > > > quick. I guess my inexperience is showing. - Bob
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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