Hi Vikas. Thanks for your reply.
Hi Mark, sure a Dec call will always be worth more than a Jul call (due to extra time) but please do not forget that (a) both long Dec call and short Jul call have the same intrinsic value (7.5) and (b) the long Dec call time premium will be lost if it is used to cover the obligations of (assigned) short call.
The (negative) effect of delta on a front-month short call is always more brutal than the (positive) effect of delta on a back-month long call.
Sorry I may be wrong here but I do get a feeling that you are making a small mistake here:-)
Cheers Vikas
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On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Mark Chaudhary <mark@phluffynet.com >wrote:On the contrary. Your Long Dec call will always be worth more than your short call given what it's made up of: Intrinsic value (worth 7.5 if the underlying's at 30) and time value which will be worth more than any time value the short call might have.
MarkOn Jun 21, 2009, at 12:53 AM, Durgesh Mantri wrote:
Vikas, Your Put-Call Parity Analogy is Good. However , Consider this Situation.If I am Long Dec'09 22.5 Call , and Short July'09 22.5 Call as you mention.What happens if Stock goes to 30 on July 17 ( Expiraton Date ) .I need to deliver the Stock and my Long Position of Dec'09 cant help me much since it wont rise in value as much . But my Short Call will kill me.Durgesh
--- On Sun, 6/21/09, Vikas Basantani <vikas.basantani@gmail.com >wrote:
From: Vikas Basantani <vikas.basantani@gmail.com >
Subject: Re: [TheOptionClub.com] SuperPut - SID [3 Attachments]
To: OptionClub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 12:30 AMThanks Jeff for sharing the video and Bob for sharing your initial experience with superputs...
After listening to the video and reading Chris comments (some of them are really good points), I just thought of providing some numbers/risk graphs to illustrate some important points for everyone's benefit:
Let me start with the prices I picked up from the video:
Long Stock SID @ 22.29 (100 shares)
Long Dec 09 22.5 Put @ 3.91 (1 contract)
Short Jul 09 22.5 Call @ 1.44 (1 contract)
This superput position is plotted in Diagram 1 and shows a buying power reduction of $1358.5.
Now look at Diagram 2 which is nothing but a combination of Long Dec 09 22.5 Call (synthetic equivalent of Long 100 Shares + Long 22.5 Put) and Short Jul 09 22.5 Call - this is the synthetic call calendar as mentioned in Chris' post.
Watch how close Diagrams 1 and 2 are to each other - similar risk, similar reward, similar greek values etc - pretty close profit/loss if SID moves 10% up or down etc... There is no surprise here as the two positions are synthetically equivalent to each other...
One difference, though, is that the second position requires a buying power reduction of only $216 which is a much smaller number as compared to the first position (due to the long stock).
Another point to note is that maximum profit on the above two positions occurs when SID is exactly at 22.5 at expiration. Both positions lose money if SID goes significantly away from 22.5 in either direction, thus providing evidence of the range-bound nature of these positions.
Now compare these with Diagram 3 which is a simple covered call (Long 100 Shares + Short 22.5 Jul 09 Call) - as anyone can notice, the maximum profit still occurs at 22.5 but remains at that level if SID continues higher after 22.5, thus providing evidence of the bullish (actually neutral to bullish) nature of covered call positions.
And Bob, the superput position is not equivalent to a collar (but to a calendar) simply because of the fact that the long put and short call are expiring in different months (Dec 09 and Jul 09 respectively) .
Just like superputs, other terms which are used for similar stuff are Married Puts (long stock + long put) and Radioactive Profit Machine (used by Kurt Frankenberg at Radioactive Trading).
Bottom line
We, as traders, must understand options synthetics as they can help us in clearly identifying "hidden" relationships between long/short stock, calls and puts and that can help us in taking our trading to the next level.
Hope it helps some on this group.
Cheers Vikas
http://options101. wordpress. comOn Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Christopher Smith <chris@theoptionclub .com> wrote:Bob,
Happy to help. Trading options is one area where a little knowledge can get you in a lot of trouble. On the other hand, if you take the time to really learn this stuff it can translate into a tremendous benefit.
One thing that I will suggest is that you take advantage of this Options Mastery home study course give-away. It really is an excellent course and with Options University giving it away it is difficult to think of a reason not to register for a free copy of it.
http://www.optionsm asterycourse. com/giveaway
Christopher Smith
TheOptionClub. com
--- In OptionClub@yahoogro ups.com, Bob C <bobc0923@...> wrote:
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> Hi Chris - Thank you very much for replying to my message and correcting me in what I was attempting to do. Luckily the naked puts I had expired yesterday. But before I do any more I had better do some more homework and quick. I guess my inexperience is showing. - Bob
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