Wednesday, September 30, 2009

RE: [TheOptionClub.com] rules for adjusting

 

David ,
I am doing adjusment base on those factors.



Nava Elgar  



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Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:41 PM
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Subject: RE: [TheOptionClub.com] rules for adjusting


 

To me it's all about trading your position and seeing what the market offers. The rule is basically "no rules." 

 

My little pdf file on vertical adjustments (in files section) was intended to show a battery of potential defensive and opportunistic adjustment strategies based on what the underlying and of course the relative options are all doing.  In a nutshell, if you can ever get a locked risk-free position that offers more upside potential, it never hurts to pounce on that opportunity.

 

Conversely, if you can maintain a "funhouse mirror" mindset and you flipflop your position to see where someone holding the completely opposite trade would have the opportunity to enjoy a locked in winner, then that is usually the time you need to make a defensive adjustment.

 

To me that's all there really is to understanding "market timing." Whatever position you have, there will come a time where an adjustment can be made that will turn it into a sure winner or where someone holding the opposite side of your trade would have that same type of opportunity. That's when you have to decide to act. Combine this with a solid grasp of position sizing and a dose of phenomenal option strategy fundamentals and the game is easily won.

 

From: OptionClub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OptionClub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Steele
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:03 PM
To: Option club
Subject: [TheOptionClub.com] rules for adjusting

 



Did anybody make a list of rules for adjustments for different spread trades. like when to adjust and why. like on moving average crosses, standard deviations, or between your breakeven and short,  when a trendline breaks , or when your short goes in the money by a certain percentage, or adjusting when your greeks are showing certain percentages. who in the group have been doing adjustments base on these factors for calendar spreads, bull puts, bull calls, bear puts, bear calls, diagonals, and iron condors.




 


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RE: [TheOptionClub.com] rules for adjusting

 

To me it’s all about trading your position and seeing what the market offers. The rule is basically “no rules.” 

 

My little pdf file on vertical adjustments (in files section) was intended to show a battery of potential defensive and opportunistic adjustment strategies based on what the underlying and of course the relative options are all doing.  In a nutshell, if you can ever get a locked risk-free position that offers more upside potential, it never hurts to pounce on that opportunity.

 

Conversely, if you can maintain a “funhouse mirror” mindset and you flipflop your position to see where someone holding the completely opposite trade would have the opportunity to enjoy a locked in winner, then that is usually the time you need to make a defensive adjustment.

 

To me that’s all there really is to understanding “market timing.” Whatever position you have, there will come a time where an adjustment can be made that will turn it into a sure winner or where someone holding the opposite side of your trade would have that same type of opportunity. That’s when you have to decide to act. Combine this with a solid grasp of position sizing and a dose of phenomenal option strategy fundamentals and the game is easily won.

 

From: OptionClub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OptionClub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Steele
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:03 PM
To: Option club
Subject: [TheOptionClub.com] rules for adjusting

 




Did anybody make a list of rules for adjustments for different spread trades. like when to adjust and why. like on moving average crosses, standard deviations, or between your breakeven and short,  when a trendline breaks , or when your short goes in the money by a certain percentage, or adjusting when your greeks are showing certain percentages. who in the group have been doing adjustments base on these factors for calendar spreads, bull puts, bull calls, bear puts, bear calls, diagonals, and iron condors.





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[TheOptionClub.com] Re: The Options Club website

 

Yes, the member's site is active.  There are training videos, with new videos added weekly.  The last post was yesterday, I believe.

http://member.theoptionclub.com 

Christopher Smith
TheOptionClub.com

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> Thx.
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[TheOptionClub.com] Re: Options Action

 

I'm very pleased that options trading is being discussed on prime time TV. Needless to say, a great deal more preparation than watching this show is required. But more traders can only mean more liquidity and better bid-ask spreads for all of us.

--- In OptionClub@yahoogroups.com, Bill S <bdstrayer@...> wrote:
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> Well, I really like the show's format. It's pretty light and funny at times, and it's always good to see other points of view and get an idea how these options professionals think. Not sure how big their audience is, as I tend to think that there aren't many options traders out there. I would guess that less than 1% of people who have any market exposure have ever traded an option in their lives. Probably more like .01%. But CNBC did recently change their time slot to prime time, so maybe they have a big enough audience.
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> --- In OptionClub@yahoogro ups.com, rvd <rvdidit@ > wrote:
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> > In fact I bet they loose their audience as they get into more advanced options adjustments
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> > The second trade is called a broken wing condor (iron condor without the long put). Again, you need to be prepared with action and its reaction.
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> > On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 8:56 PM, drrobhansen <robhansen5252@ ...> wrote:
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> > Hey, I'm surprised that no one here has mentioned "Options Action" on CNBC. In Chicago, it's on at 7:30 PM for half an hour. It's hosted by Melissa Lee and features three or four regulars who happen to be options traders. I started watching it a couple of months ago, and the content was in my opinion beginner to intermediate strategies. Lately they have been discussing ratio spreads, risk reversals, and collars financed by put spreads. So they have gotten more intermediate to advanced with their positions. They always take the time to explain the risks and rewards with nice profit and loss graphs. My favorite segment of the show is called "Put up or Shut up." Here, two of the participants agree on the direction of a particular stock, but disagree on the derivatives used to profit on the expected move. This week, they agreed that oil stocks will be moving lower, and one strategy involving USO would be to buy a 1 X 2 put spread,
> > specifically +1 nov_33p for $2.00 and -2 nov_30p for $1.80 for a cost of only $0.20. The other participant went with -1 nov_32p for $1.60 and sold one 37/42 call spread for $0.80 credit, thus collecting a total of $2.40 in premium. The risk profile in TOS for this trade looks like a condor with no downside protection. Next week they will assess their trades and suggest adjustments if necessary. By the way, TOS sponsors the show and the commercials they have are pretty entertaining as well. Anyone out there watch this?
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[TheOptionClub.com] rules for adjusting

 

Did anybody make a list of rules for adjustments for different spread trades. like when to adjust and why. like on moving average crosses, standard deviations, or between your breakeven and short,  when a trendline breaks , or when your short goes in the money by a certain percentage, or adjusting when your greeks are showing certain percentages. who in the group have been doing adjustments base on these factors for calendar spreads, bull puts, bull calls, bear puts, bear calls, diagonals, and iron condors.

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[TheOptionClub.com] The Options Club website

 


Does anyone have information regarding the current status of The Option Club website, are training videos still available/current? Is the member site still active? Last post was in June 2009.
Thx.

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[TheOptionClub.com] Re: Ron Ianieri's Options GPS Update

 

Well, this should be interesting to see how it plays out.  In addition to the new GPS course, Ron Ianieri will be teaching the live Options Mastery course through Options University.  I got the confirmation on that yesterday and the live classes are now being actively promoted.

http://www.optionsmasterycourse.com/video 

The above link is the video introduction for the live classes and enrollment will be opening soon.  So, you've got the new GPS course on DVD and you also have the live classroom environment.  I never did get much information on what is covered in GPS, but I am very familiar with Options Mastery as well as the live classes that Ron has taught in the past. 

Shoot me an e-mail if you have questions.  I'm happy to help answer them if I can.

Christopher Smith
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> >
> > A few people were asking about Ron Ianieri's new Options GPS course.
> I
> > was hoping to talk them into sending an advanced copy out, but no
> luck.
> > I did manage to get some information, though.
> >
> > Options GPS is a collaboration between Ron Ianieri and Chris Rowe. We
> > all know Ron's background and the depth of his knowledge when it comes
> > to options theory and options strategies. Chris Rowe made a name for
> > himself by developing trading systems that produce a very high
> > percentage of winning trades and leveraging that by using options.
> > Since then, Chris founded an education company called Tycoon
> University.
> > How much of Chris Rowe's material made it into Options GPS, I don't
> > know.
> >
> > The course is scheduled for release in early October, which is just a
> > couple weeks from now. They have set up an information page, which
> you
> > can access here:
> >
> > http://www.optionsgps.info/ <http://www.optionsgps.info/>
> >
> > If you enter your e-mail on that page, they will send you some of Ron
> > and Chris Rowe's material and sign you up for their morning market
> > commentary. I'm trying to get more specifics about the course and
> will
> > post whatever I learn here.
> >
> > Christopher Smith
> > TheOptionClub.com
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[TheOptionClub.com] Re: Box option spreads

 

I hope this is the best way to respond.

 

Boxing of a vertical is akin to liquidating the trade, whether going on vacation, taking a profit, taking a loss or no longer having the original market bias.

 

The bigger question about whether to box or liquidate has to do with what is going on in the particular call vertical versus the offsetting put vertical; 

Which one has the tighter market to make the easier trade?

Which is the better price (arrive at the synthetic of each other by subtracting from strike difference*)?

Is there a cheap legging opportunity consistent with the new market bias?  See what I mean in the following 4 ½ page excerpt from “Options Trading: The Hidden Reality”:

http://66.151.24.54/riskdoctor/Downloads2/LeggingBoxExcerptOTTHR.pdf

 

 

*Carry costs less of a factor during this low interest rate environment.

 

All the best,

 

Charles

 

Charles M. Cottle

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Follow me on Twitter: @RiskDoctor

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Re: [TheOptionClub.com] Re: SpreadTrading Training

 

I have read a few pages (of the 1300!) This looks to be a very nice resource. Thank you Steve!  ~gf

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Steve <jsgoings@novagraph.com> wrote:
 

In the Elite Traders forum is one of the best credit spread trading journals I have run across. Though it dates from 2005, it has been a great resource for me, and you might like to take a look at it:

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49586&perpage=10&pagenumber=1

This thread was posted by Philip Budwick, who at the time, was posting as OptionCoach. Philip is the author of "The Option Trader Handbook," which I have and recommend. I believe he has had some chat sessions with Chris here in this forum.

The journal focuses on writing put credit spreads on SPX in an upward trending market, and deals with many nuances including when to hedge, when to roll down, when to put on the "other side" for an Iron Condor, etc. A real feast of practical trading.

Hope you find it use full.

Steve G
(You may need to register with them to view the thread, I do not know, but it is free, and they do not spam you.)

Sadly the ET forum has gone the way of most, with lots of flaming, and spamming, and posing, etc. This thread, though makes it worth the slog.


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