Yes, but they make it easy to get started. Call this guy:
Tony Ortiz - 954 652-7431
To: OptionClub@yahoogro
From: mikeandjody1996@
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:19:29 -0700
Subject: Re: [TheOptionClub.
From: Fred Hawkins <fred.hawkins@
To: OptionClub@yahoogro
Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 4:21:51 PM
Subject: RE: [TheOptionClub.
Tom,
I was a current user and participated in the Beta test for the new platform and automated trading systems. I think that is why I was able to get in early. The article you posted sums it up. I am excited and doing well trading. I think they are going to market it more and make a big announcement in 2nd week of April.
From: OptionClub@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:OptionClub@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Tom Batchelor
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:38 AM
To: option club; advanced options; option bwb; rustyfs@comcast. net
Subject: RE: [TheOptionClub. com] Trade Station Strategy Network - Firebird GOOG
http://www.stockhou
Guess they are ready to take on new clients for this type of trading now too.
From: tom_batchelor@ hotmail.com
To: optionclub@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: RE: [TheOptionClub. com] The Problem With Chasing GOOG
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 11:18:17 -0500
Fred,
How did you here about this; I though that they were keeping this very limited until it was launched for real. Were you part of the Beta Test?
I'm actually speaking about my strategies in DC in April; if you are available to come.
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From: fred.hawkins@ edtinc.net
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:53:55 -0400
Subject: RE: [TheOptionClub. com] The Problem With Chasing GOOG
Rickey,
I trade stocks and options and you are right on about GOOG. FYI TradeStation just launched a new strategy network site where you can subscribe to automated trading systems. Although there seems to be forex, futures, and stock programs on there, the Goog program seems to be one of the best programs. I am not selling anything I just subscribed and have made a bunch of money. There are tons of programs on there. I think the Goog program I trade has made over 600% so far. The data is right there to verify. If you are interested, here is a link to the new TradeStation site.
https://strategynet work.tradestatio n.com/StrategyNe tworkStore/ Default.aspx click on view all strategies. Some are very good and some aren't. There are a bunch of them now. Apparently they just launched in March and are planning a big announcement in April. I trade the Firebird Goog program but there are many others too. I hate to sound like I am advertising but when you mentioned the Goog beta I started thinking about it. I thought only hedge funds had systems like this and a few off name sites but it looks like one of the big platforms stepped up and offered them. Does anyone know of any reputable platforms that do this? Any that trade options automated? I use Tradestation to trade options due to the low commissions per trade and TOS to analyze and adjust option positions. Probably crazy to have both but it works for me.
Happy trading!
Fred
From: OptionClub@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:OptionClub@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ricky Jimenez
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:35 AM
To: OptionClub
Subject: [TheOptionClub. com] The Problem With Chasing GOOG
GOOG has a beta of 1.08. But the reason it attracts both stock and
certain options traders, I think, has to do more with its volume and
for options, the ratio, strike distance / stock price = 10/545 =
.018. So a less than 2% move in the stock price can get you to
another strike. That is comparable to a 55 dollar stock with a big
volume and a strike distance of 1. IWM is the only one I can think of
off hand. Can anybody tell me if any available screener finds others?
However, taking advantage of that to make a profit by often adjusting
GOOG as it moves, requires quite a bit of skill, which I don't possess
currently, and I will show you the mixed results of my March paper
trade. I have reported on all but the last of these adjustments
before but I will repeat them for viewing convenience. I have also
attached a graph of all 6 trades. They are named by the date and
approximate GOOG price when the trade was made.
On 2/22 GOOG at 545:
-2*530p +2*540p +2*550c -2*560c, (6.30, 10, 9.50, 5.80).
Brown
On 2/25 GOOG at 521:
2*510p -2*520p, (6.90, 10.50);
2*540c -4*550c +2*560c, (4.80, 2.65, 1.50).
Result: 2*510p -2*520p -2*530p +2*540p +2*540c -2*550c.
Purple
On 3/04 GOOG at 565:
-2*510p +2*520p +2*530p, (.60, 1.10, 2.00).
Result: 2*540p +2*540c -2*550c.
Yellow
On 3/05 GOOG at 565:
-2*540p -2*560c +2*570c (2.00, 9.70, 5.20).
Result: 2*540c -2*550c -2*560c +2*570c
Green
On 3/10 GOOG at 575:
-2*540c +2*550c +2*560c -2*580c, (30.40, 21.70, 13.60, 3.40).
Result: 2*570c -2*580c.
Red
On 3/11 GOOG at 580:
-2*570c +4*580c -2*590c (17.70, 11.50, 6.70).
Result: 2*580c -2*590c.
Blue
After 3/11 GOOG fell back to the 560s and expired on 3/19 at about
560. After the last trade, I didn't see how to get back into the
sweet zone without taking on more risk so I simply gave up, knowing
that I wasn't going to lose much. Now it could be argued that on
3/10, translating the condor to the right could have been done with
little more expense than going to the bullish spread and the condor
was somehow objectively better. I wish I could quantify that. By the
way, each of these trades costs about $14 in fees and commissions at
Options House.
Perhaps the best trading philosophy to take is that once you have a
risk free or high reward to risk position, just don't touch it, even
if the market moves away. If you open several trades each month, and
turn each into a high reward to risk, chance will cause a few to end
up close to the max reward area and you will end up with a profit for
the month.
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